Curse

Charlotte the Harlot · Aug 03, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

I wish they would balance shadow form to be useful in general play not designate it as a farming skill like this.

spyke136 · Aug 03, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

i wonder if there were this many constant QQ threads back in the prot bond days...

god mode = unable to be killed

aka...every farming build ever as long as you're not retarded.

why just stop at SF why not nerf everything in the game so no one can farm anything or do anything in a fun way.

god mode would matter if it was used in anything BUT farming solo.

Aera Lure · Aug 03, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

now people gonna start Q_Q'ing about a buff and others Q_Q cuz it's nerfed
people are seriously retarded

No. It just means some are on one side and some are on the other side of the issue. Like all issues.

Its the ones who take both sides that raise an eyebrow.

I pwnd U · Aug 03, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Meh, ANet has always liked to play with skills. They would change them for a time to see how they work and how they are used and sometimes change them back or nerf them some more. This won't be a big deal, it's not like they are reverting it back to the way it used to be.

mrmango · Aug 03, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Farming sucks, it's sad people still do it.

StormDragonZ · Aug 03, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

I thought SF meant Searing Flames...

Nonetheless, whatever happens shall happen. I'm going to wait patiently like everyone else... should...

Robbert Monga · Aug 03, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

i want moar cat pics... please keep posting.

Stockholm · Aug 04, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Was it not Winston Churchill that said

" Never have so many had so few to thank for so little" ......

Zaris · Aug 04, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Star Gazer · Aug 04, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Congratulations, until you find an argument against the reasons they should be killed I'll accept that you are bad ignorant and selfish. Liking something isn't an argument, it's an opinion and a preference.

bad, ignorant, and selfish eh? so you, the ursan-haters, are perfect? because you are trying to impose your playing style on me? because i have a family, and real-world issues to deal with, and not having enough time to dedicate my life to guildwars like most of you do? i am sorry, but if that is bad, ignorant, and selfish of me, then you, my friend, are exactly what my picture was trying to state.

you people that are trying to impose your play-style sicken me. you are the selfish ones, thinking that ursan ruined your game. no, you were stuck in the "DoA" holy trinity farming builds, that ony took certain professions with certain skills. oh wait, isnt that exactly like ursan? HOLY CRAP! ;o yeah...im the selfish one, because i like ecto prices to be more affordable so everyone can get that elite (lol?) armor. i dont want to pay obscene prices for stuff i want. yeah, so selfish that OTHER PLAYERS should benefit from lower economy prices. most of you ursan-haters are nothing but mindless followers anyway, taking the majority of opinions and sticking to it. get moar brains please, and stop following others. seriously.

you, and all of the ursan haters, need to get some sunshine like the ones who like ursan do. get a family, get a job, then come back and say how much you just LOVE spending 7 hours to clear uw, or how you want to sit around for 1 hour trying to perfect a build for that one zone. as for being bad (lol), ive been playing for over 3 years, vanquished all maps a few months after hm being introduced (o wait, before ursan and cons? NO WAI). which, by the way, I did have to vanquish half of a zone, come back the next day, and vanquish the rest.

and good god. isn't this a GAME? a game meant to have FUN? since when did worrying about "economy" or "balance" ever mean anything for pixels? save that stuff for real life. this is a freaking game. those of you arguing against that, need to see the above paragraph.

Gill Halendt · Aug 04, 2008, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Everyone has access to this "godmode" though, so the playing field is fair. If however this build was only available to the select few, only then would it be an issue.

How about allowing perma-SF on any primary running sin as a secondary... by increasing its duration to a couple of mins, perhaps?

/endsarcasm

If a permanent anti-target is really meant to be in this game, it should be for defensive purposes only. 50% damage is fine then. So, get rid of the damage reduction AND decrease its duration so that it's not mantainable costantly, or leave it as it is (and maybe remove the healt loss when it ends, which makes no sense anymore)

Stockholm · Aug 04, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Nerf all farming, make GW a game again, not a "hoarders" paradise

Bryant Again · Aug 04, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

bad, ignorant, and selfish eh? so you, the ursan-haters, are perfect? because you are trying to impose your playing style on me? because i have a family, and real-world issues to deal with, and not having enough time to dedicate my life to guildwars like most of you do? i am sorry, but if that is bad, ignorant, and selfish of me, then you, my friend, are exactly what my picture was trying to state.

We don't consider ourselves "perfect", "good", or "smart" because we're "imposing our playing-style on you", it's because that we disagree largely with the decision of dumbing down the game. It's very understandable that your life may be busy, but there are *MUCH* better ways to accommodate for that. And, since you don't have to play the game if the schedule is conflicting, the integrity of the game remains higher priority.

And sometimes, real life just can't fit in with a video game no matter what you try. Since Guild Wars is online and instanced with everything restarting if you don't finish it, right there it's always going to "require" a set amount of time. You can drop it whenever you want, but you'll lose whatever progress you made.

All in all, though, I find it interesting you're defending Ursan for it's act of "helping the casual playstyle" when it doesn't in any way whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

and good god. isn't this a GAME? a game meant to have FUN? since when did worrying about "economy" or "balance" ever mean anything for pixels? save that stuff for real life. this is a freaking game. those of you arguing against that, need to see the above paragraph.

Now this viewpoint is a little different. Just because "it's a game" doesn't excuse making widely gamebreaking design decisions.

As a final note: You won't see many here taking 7 hours to clear the UW because, well, we're not that bad.

Age · Aug 04, 2008, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Well if this is true there goes the price ecto down agian and Lindsey uses a SF sin to farm the UW.

Stockholm · Aug 04, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

As a final note: You won't see many here taking 7 hours to clear the UW because, well, we're not that bad.

And we are a very small minority of the player base aswell.

Bryant Again · Aug 04, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Age

Well if this is true there goes the price ecto down agian and Lindsey uses a SF sin to farm the UW.

I'd look a bit more into her quote, Age.

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

And we are a very small minority of the player base aswell.

So are people who play on the Insanity difficulty in Mass Effect, or the God mode in God of War, or the Hard mode in Guild Wars, or the Heroic level in WoW, or the Nightmare setting in Doom...

See where I'm going with this?

Kusandaa · Aug 04, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

and good god. isn't this a GAME? a game meant to have FUN? since when did worrying about "economy" or "balance" ever mean anything for pixels? save that stuff for real life. this is a freaking game. those of you arguing against that, need to see the above paragraph.

Because people have different views on what's "fun". Some people actually want a challenge, which is, IMO, clearly lacking for the veteran who's done pretty much everything. Ursan did dumb the game down at some point. Most people will NOT learn the game anymore, they have access to an easy-mode button right there. That's what most people are annoyed about.

I view Ursan as a double-edged sword. I dunno what it was created for, either a tool for the newbie who can now do elite areas easily, or the vet who's tired of taking 4 hours to go through elite areas with PUGs.... hell it could be something else.

However, some people will argue about the economy - Ursan DoA groups drove armbraces prices a tad down (duping and Mallyx exploit did most of the work).

SF is pretty much the same; it drove ecto prices down. A lot of people, being pretty rich, view it was they were losing cash over this and became quite mad about it. Ectos are now affordable by a wider range of people...

Remember when basic +30hp mods where worth 20-30k+? Now they're down and more people are now able to afford them. Same thing with ectos.

My view: stop QQing, make the best of what you're given... if you're a vet you'll get through nerfs, if you're a casual you'll gain a chance at learning this game if you don't leave when they nerf skills. If you need to leave the game 'cause Ursan or SF gets nerfed it's because you don't know anything else and aren't willing to learn.

Note that I'm referring "you" to people in general, not anyone in particular.

Bryant Again · Aug 04, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

*snip* If you need to leave the game 'cause Ursan or SF gets nerfed it's because you don't know anything else and aren't willing to learn.

And they would've been playing for all the wrong reasons, in which case no loss imo.

Gibz · Aug 04, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Nerf all solo farming... Make UW harder anyways.

Stockholm · Aug 04, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And they would've been playing for all the wrong reasons, in which case no loss imo.

You know what, for all those that spend hours upon hours calculating dmg VS energy use and putting builds together, why not put your skills to some real use ( I bet there is some real life issues where it could be used), and let GW be a game for all to enjoy. Ursan , SF or what ever you want to use.